Chapter 5
The Next Right Step

One of the reasons people find long‐term thinking challenging is that they don't know what to do now to make that long‐term plan possible. It can seem abstract and overwhelming to always have your sights set on the horizon. While you may know deep down something will pay off in the future, how do you pay your bills today?

I get it. Instant gratification is so ingrained in our culture, it's hard to see another way. But playing the long game doesn't mean you do nothing in the short term. All you need to do is take the next right step.

There are lots of heads of strategy out there. And it's true that some business decisions are incredibly complicated.

But fundamentally business, as with life, is not about having a specific plan for every eventuality but having a set of principles and values and then taking the appropriate next step when presented.

My original goal for Revenue Collective was 2,000 total Members by the end of 2020. Instead, at the end of 2020, we had close to 4,000 Members.

In 2016, we were effectively an email group with quarterly dinners. In 2019 we became a dinner group with a vibrant Slack community. In 2020, when we grew fivefold during a global pandemic, we began programming over 25 digital events every single week. In 2021, we rebranded to Pavilion and opened the doors to more than 7,000 Members.

This is not because I'm a genius. This is because we used core values to inform our decision making and leveraged a rough plan. We then took the logical next right step.

It's likely true that as a public company executive you need far more foresight than when you are starting a tiny little startup. But my experience has always been that if you just take the next logical step, do the next right thing, you don't necessarily have to worry too much about where you'll be in two years or three years.

Of course it's nice to have an idea of where you want to head, and you need a plan to help ground your vision.

But as I always like to say, “The future always arrives right on time.” Somehow or someway, things that seem hazy, distant, or impossible out into the distance become clearer as the time gets closer.

There's the old adage that the journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. And then the next and then the next.

Making Our First Hire

In 2018, Revenue Collective was gaining steam. I had taken one last job at a startup that unfortunately ended up being the opposite of everything we're talking about in this book. But with the severance I negotiated, I had the seed money to take Revenue Collective full time. I was ready to take that step.

But to take that step, I knew I needed help. I remembered a woman I had been in contact with over the years—a Penn grad, lawyer, and mother of two looking to re‐enter the workforce. Her name was Anne Juceam.

We had had a breakfast months prior as she was looking to take her interests and capabilities as an operator and entrepreneur and join up with some kind of exciting opportunity. I'd made a bunch of introductions for her, but none of them panned out. But her name popped into my head, and I thought, “Maybe Anne is available to help.”

I emailed her in October, and she helped me put together a Christmas party for the Revenue Collective featuring Manny Medina, the CEO of Outreach. She became the first employee of Revenue Collective and is still with us today as our VP of People after building and running our operations function for the first three years of her tenure.

Together we built Revenue Collective's first pipeline and established an onboarding sequence, training our Members on how we operate. We started seeing 15, 20, 50 applications roll in every week. We interviewed every prospective Member ourselves. We did every job, just the two of us.

With a long‐term vision guiding us, we were able to make day‐to‐day decisions that would serve our plan. By taking it one step at a time, we made huge strides.

Around the same time, my friend Max Altschuler asked me to host a podcast for his community, Sales Hacker. I used the Sales Hacker Podcast as a springboard for Revenue Collective, mentioning it during episodes and outlining our core beliefs. Sales Hacker had a mailing list upwards of 100,000 people, and soon there were people emailing me from far‐flung places like London and Amsterdam and Toronto asking to set up chapters based on the ideas I'd been talking about on the podcast.

I hadn't anticipated the word spreading so quickly, but when those people reached out, I took the calls, and happily agreed.

Traditionally if you're scaling a business, you think of the big markets first—New York, San Francisco, Chicago. But our growth came from people raising their hand, saying they, too, believed in a different type of world.

So when opportunities presented themselves in smaller markets, we took them, knowing we had a passionate base to build off of. London was our second chapter, spearheaded by Tom Glason. Next, we gained a following in Boston, Toronto, Amsterdam, Atlanta, and Indianapolis. Instead of forcing ourselves into a market, we listened to our Members and built chapters where they lived, where they operated businesses.

This wasn't what we would have put in a business plan, but it led to faster and further growth than I could have ever imagined. As I'm writing this book, we now have more than 50 chapters worldwide, stretching from Singapore to Copenhagen to Brazil. But our operating model remains largely unchanged. When a group of people who are passionate about our community and ideals comes forward, we give them as many resources as we can to help them succeed. We listen to what they need and give it to them, to the best of our ability. We see where they are headed and make strides toward that future. It really doesn't need to be more complicated than that.

When you build a business with values and generosity as your guide, you will always have a framework to move you forward. The decisions you make from day to day might change, you might have many, many short‐term goals along the way, but your North Star remains true.

Working on Revenue Collective full time changed everything for me. I could finally see that I just wasn't wired to work on someone else's dream. All of my best ideas belonged solely to me, and I could make them happen if I wanted to. I finally felt free.

During this time, Camille and I spent three months living in Austin, Texas. I was running more. I was setting my own calendar. I was finally stepping into my own. The best parts of me were beginning to shine. Not that I still didn't have challenges or bumps in the road, but it really felt like a weight had been lifted off my shoulders. The clouds cleared enough for me to see the horizon. And I could take one step, then another, and soon I would be running into a future I had only dreamed existed.

The point of this book isn't to say you need to start a business to feel this way. But, if you find something that you believe in with your whole being, you should pull that thread.

Pulling the Thread

I often say that the future arrives right on time. So many people spend a lot of time mapping out a far‐flung strategy. And it's certainly true that you need to have some kind of vision for the future.

My personal vision has always been specific in the near term and less specific the further out you go. Sounds straightforward, but I feel like sometimes people feel this innate sense of terror that they don't know exactly what their company might look like in two years and that's a huge problem.

But, especially in the early days, businesses are a lot like the Sweater Song by Weezer. If you simply take the next right step, if you just keep pulling the thread, you will seldom go wrong. Which just means, don't worry too much about two years from now. Worry about now. Worry about making sure that you do the next thing on your to‐do list.

Eventually over time it accumulates, and you can take stock of your progress and momentum after a period of months and years, knowing that most of the time, the journey itself was keeping the end roughly in mind but staring pretty intently at the next decision that you had to make.

As I was working with Anne and living in Austin, I knew that for me the next right step was making Revenue Collective a true value‐based organization and codifying some of these principles based on the experience I'd gained over the preceding 20 years.

Mapping Your Core Values into Decision Making

From my coaching sessions with Jim Rosen, I knew that I stood for helping people I care about and respect achieve their goals, and I wanted to build a space powered by generosity. But as Revenue Collective grew, we needed more detailed principles that would guide our decision making.

Most companies get this wrong. So often, businesses have generic “values” they plaster up on the wall or on the website that have no real meaning. Values and what you stand for are only useful if they're specific and if they invoke a choice. Saying one of your values is “Breathing oxygen” is not meaningful since we all need oxygen to live.

Values need to mean something to your business. Values should help you make decisions. Values should train people how to operate within your business and the expectations you have for them. Values should be the framework for doing business.

My friend Dan Pink says there are three things that drive motivation: autonomy, mastery, and purpose. Everybody wants to know the context, the purpose in which they operate. Values provide that context. They give people the guardrails with which to make decisions and to know they are on the right path. My personal exploration of values discussed in Chapter 3 directly influenced the organizational values of Pavilion. I wanted my business to stand for what I stood for. Even if you aren't starting your own business, look for one whose values align with your own.

I always say to my team that if you don't know what to do today, find someone to help. That is the essence of all of our values. But by providing more nuanced context, we can help guide everyone on the team to make decisions that align with our long‐term vision and uphold our promises to our Members.

Values + Strategy = Autonomy

To the point of motivation, and to the point of leverage, I find the combination of a well‐communicated plan (Strategy) coupled with a clear and reinforced set of values to be the thing that enables autonomy within an organization.

Imagine you need to cross a thick forest and arrive at a specific place at a specific time on the other side of the woods. Values are the rules you will use as you move through the woods (e.g., don't eat those berries, only sleep in trees, don't harm the bears), and the strategy is the map, compass, and supplies you'll carry with you.

With those two things, you should be able to navigate safely across. And your manager or executive won't have had to make sure they were present for every single decision. And that is leverage.

Leverage can only be created when you arm your team with the necessary information and tools they need to do their jobs and then give them the decision‐making framework to tackle difficult problems through the values you instill.

Values Should Help Decision Making

Importantly, as you think about the values you want for your organization or the things that motivate you and define who you are, I would offer the idea that values are only useful if they assist with decision making. I often joke that it's not useful to have a value like “We believe in breathing oxygen” because as humans we don't really have a choice in the matter. We either do or we die.

So it's useful to build in specific‐enough values that have enough of the essence of who we are that they actually help you make specific discrete binary decisions.

The set of values we have at Pavilion are:

  • Members first
  • We get by giving
  • We deliver X+Y
  • Listen closely, act quickly
  • Diversity makes us better
  • We deliver results
  • We choose to come from kindness

Members First

We work backwards from our Members' success. That's our first principle. We don't solve for internal politics or what's easier for us. We solve first and foremost for our Members. We go to great lengths to help our Members. We do things that aren't scalable. We take their calls on a Saturday. We offer time we didn't know we had. This is about them. Not us. Helping them.

Members First is not just a trope for its own sake. It explicitly speaks to decisions we need to make internally.

If we are focused on our Members, who are not our users, but rather our customers, then we can decide if the decision we're taking is better for us or for them. As a company scales, there is a need to drive efficiency, but that efficiency often comes at the cost of customer experience. Think of the algorithm of your favorite social media platform. Algorithms are good for business. Companies will pay a lot of money to be served up to a relevant audience. That's when you, the user, become the product, as we discussed in the previous chapter.

So even though you call for a chronological timeline or other features that would make your user experience better, the company doubles down on the algorithm and advertising dollars. Because it is better for them. Again, I'm not saying this is necessarily nefarious on their part, but it is how most companies operate. It is a strategic point of difference to put the end user first.

When at the crossroads of easy for us or better for our Members, we do our best at Pavilion to make a decision that errs on the side of the Members, not our internal needs.

For example, we call our Members the moment they sign up to join Pavilion. At the time we made that decision, we didn't have any infrastructure to make phone calls at all. We knew making this decision would involve retraining our Member Success Team and take up hours of their time every week. But we firmly believed it would improve our Member happiness, result in a better onboarding experience for them, and ultimately drive our Net Promoter Score higher.

Members First is our North Star and most important value. As you'll see below, our values and the way we operate have evolved over time, getting clearer and more specific to help employees make decisions. However, the value that will never change is Members First.

When you are building a business or helping to drive a culture of kindness, you must have at least one central tenet that remains true no matter what. A beacon that will always shine and guide the way for your team. When your business inevitably becomes more complicated and nuanced and layered, there will still be that source of truth you can turn to that will keep you on the path you intended.

We Get by Giving

Giving and helping are their own reward. We are playing a longer game. Our relationships aren't transactional. We believe and know that through helping others we will help ourselves in ways that will be far greater and more impactful than we ever imagined. We know the world is not zero sum. Our help to others increases its abundance.

“We Get by Giving” is a central theme of this book—and crucial to how we operate at Pavilion. We wrote this philosophy into our core values because we believe that reciprocity and kindness will fundamentally change the business world. And if you've made it this far, I hope you believe that, too.

In Chapter 4, we covered how generosity can be a competitive advantage in business. It's not altruistic to put others first in the sense that it is a sacrifice for you. It is a long‐term strategy where everything you give will come back to you in abundance because you have the patience to play the long game.

Just as “Members First” means we sometimes take inefficient routes, “We Get by Giving” means that the ripples we create by helping others are far, far greater than a one‐time, immediate payoff.

We Deliver X+Y

Doing the bare minimum (X) is never acceptable. We ask ourselves, “Why are we doing this?” and anticipate not just the minimum requirements (X) but the added requirements (Y) even if they weren't requested. We don't just identify problems (X). We identify problems and suggest solutions (X+Y). We take pride in moving outside our job description and outside our comfort zone. We get our hands dirty. We pick up the phone. We take action to drive the business forward and help our Members thrive. We deliver X+Y.

The concept of X+Y came from my first job out of college—the one I left to start that ill‐fated record label. My boss Omid C. Tofigh at Stern Stewart called me into his office for a performance review. I strolled in thinking I was about to be praised for a job well done. I was hitting all of the metrics I was told to. I did everything by the book.

What Omid told me crushed me—he was underwhelmed by my work. I sank down. How could that be true? I came into the office every day, did my work, and delivered the intended results. Didn't I?

He told me that I only delivered X. Exactly what I was told to do and no further. I wasn't thinking about ways to improve, to drive more, to push further. I was coasting, doing just fine and nothing further.

He told me if I had ambitions, if I wanted to be more, I needed to start thinking about how I can go beyond X. How I can add Y.

There's that long‐term thinking again. Those who need that instant gratification, who can only see what is in front of them, shoot for X. Those who understand that there is always more you can be doing look not just for one outcome or solution, but a long‐term plan to deliver better results. That's X+Y—yet another differentiating factor for your business.

Much later, a friend told me that numbers‐missers tend to stay numbers‐missers. They come up with excuses instead of solutions. But numbers‐beaters tend to remain numbers‐beaters, always pushing to add Y.

Both of these stories took hold of me. I wanted to create a culture of X+Y, of numbers‐beaters. I wanted my team to know that to make this the best business it can be, to truly serve our Members, and to keep giving, we can't just deliver minimum expectations. We all need to anticipate needs, use our brains, and take pride in our work. The results will be a company of doers who delight customers and make the business better every day.

When you are outlining values for your business, think about the kind of company you want. Do you want to build a place where people clock in and clock out with little thought in between? Or do you want a company where your people are innovative, pushing the boundaries of what's possible? If it's the latter, you need to create that framework through your values and build it into everything you do.

Listen Closely, Act Quickly

Our Members will tell us what we need to build if we listen. But we must listen to them. This means careful observation and empathy. This means that we talk less than they do. And once we absorb an idea, we move very quickly to execute it. Speed becomes a competitive advantage unto itself. The modern world requires rapid iteration and tolerates a lower degree of perfection in favor of speed and responsiveness. We know that. We use that to our advantage. We listen closely. We act quickly.

We'll explore this concept in more detail in the next chapter, but what this value tells Pavilion employees is that progress is better than perfection. Tying back to Members First and loving your customer, our Members tell us what they need. Your customers will tell you what you need. It is then your job to make it happen.

An extension of the next right step—Listen Closely, Act Quickly—means that you don't need a 10‐year plan to execute on something you know to be true. Take in the information from your customers, identify patterns in feedback, and take action based on that feedback.

I know it can be easy to fall into a feedback spiral. One person says they love something about your product. The next says they hate that same thing. The conflicting statements cause you to gather more and more and more information before you act. Then you end up not acting at all.

Of course you can't make everyone happy. You can do everything your customers ask you to. But it is your job to take a step back and really hear what your customers are saying. What is the through‐line in all of the feedback? Identify it and move. Speed is critical in today's marketplace, especially SaaS (software as a service). If you aren't working to incrementally improve your product, someone else will fill the gap.

Speed to market and constant iteration are necessary in today's market. Being able to make decisions quickly and bring them to life is more important than having a perfect plan in place. All it takes is the next right step, then the next right step after that to keep you moving forward and aligned with your customers' needs.

Diversity Makes Us Better

Pavilion is diverse, and our team needs to be diverse to ensure we appreciate all perspectives. Diversity strengthens us. Diversity forces us to appreciate different perspectives, to empathize; it forces open our minds like a crowbar opening a dusty vault. To be better, to be our best, we need to value everyone and mean it.

“Value everyone and mean it” is the key phrase here. As I said, it's easy to slap up some surface‐level values that you never do anything about. It's easy to talk and say something performative you know will make you or your company appear better in the public eye.

But values need to be actionable. For us, Diversity Makes Us Better is a call to look for a range of voices and experiences and actively bring them into our business.

From a panel discussion to our executive team, we strive to champion a diverse set of voices in everything that we do. I'm proud to say that as of March 1, 2022, 54% of the Pavilion HQ team identifies as female and 36% self‐reported as Black, Indigenous, or Person of Color (BIPOC). That includes 60% female leadership on the executive team.

Within our membership, we have created private spaces for Women of Pavilion, Pavilion of Color, and LGTBQ+ of Pavilion to provide a safe place where they can talk about challenges they face and be supported. Why does this matter? Because we believe that in order to achieve and unlock your professional potential, you should be able to tap into your full self without fear of judgment. We believe that by having an HQ team that reflects the diversity of our membership, we will be better able to understand them and to serve them.

So if your company says it values diversity, think about the tangible ways you are working to make sure diverse voices are heard and respected in your space.

We Deliver Results

The great thing about how we've structured our values is that there is room to grow. Our mission and North Star (Members First) always stay true, but how can we adapt over time and make room for more.

Originally, this value was “Always Better.” We wanted to be a company that never finished evolving, changing, and trying to improve. We valued feedback as a way to keep learning and unlock change and innovation. All of that is still true, but in practice we found that “Always Better” was not specific enough to serve as a guide for decision making.

In the spirit of “Always Better,” we evolved to incorporate a new value—we deliver results.

Results matter. We are focused on achieving our goals. That includes a sense of personal responsibility for our performance and outcomes. If we're reporting on a number, we take responsibility for that number. If we set a goal, we commit to reaching that goal. We proactively communicate along the way. We don't hide. We understand that we can't deliver on our promise to our Members and to each other if goals don't matter, if results don't matter, and we aren't doing everything we can to help the company grow. We want to look to our left and to our right, even if virtually, and trust that everyone on the Pavilion team is committed to holding up their end of the bargain. Results matter.

“We Deliver Results” speaks to why we need to always be improving. We are improving for a reason, and that reason is to deliver specific results for our Members and for our business. Our Members have goals, and we help achieve them. Our business has goals, and we will be numbers‐beaters. By baking results into the values of our organization we instill in all of our employees—and in our Members—a sense of ownership. We are in charge of our own destinies and our own projects. If we say we will do something, we do it.

Think about the values at your organization. Do you explicitly say that you value outcomes? If not, what message does that send to your team and your customers?

From the beginning, we used the Objectives and Key Results (OKR) framework to build annual and quarterly goals for the organization as a whole. But in 2022, we incorporated OKRs at the department and individual levels, too. Individual OKRs roll up into department OKRs, and department OKRs roll up into the company‐wide OKRs.

By aligning individual goals with your department and then the overarching organizational goals, you ensure that everyone will be rowing in the same direction. We see within our membership endless debate around aligning sales and marketing, marketing and customer success, customer success and sales. It goes on and on. We found that by incorporating a value based on results and building a framework where all individuals understand how their actions impact the larger organization, alignment has come naturally.

We Choose to Come from Kindness

Kindness begets more kindness. Every action we take comes from a place of empathy and compassion. We treat our teammates and our Members with the compassion and empathy they deserve as human beings. We try to pass along the legacy of compassion, empathy, and understanding in every interaction, even when delivering bad news or constructive criticism. We are honest and direct, but we don't use that as an excuse to be an asshole. We don't blow up a meeting with temper tantrums. We don't act like children. The world is better when people are kind. We choose to come from kindness.

The wording of this value came from Pavilion's VP of partnerships and alliances, and I love how it was written. We choose to come from kindness. We make an active choice every day to approach each interaction with empathy and understanding. Even if it is a tough conversation. Especially if it is a tough conversation.

Being kind doesn't mean you are a pushover. Or that you sugar‐coat bad news to save people's feelings. Or that you never scowl or are in a bad mood. My team will tell you that my mood fluctuates, and I have a hard time hiding it.

Choosing to come from kindness means that you understand and respect that everyone has a lot going on in their lives. That you first come from a supportive place looking to help others improve or achieve their goals.

The world is insistent that you need to toughen up, to have a thick skin. In business, we've been told to relentlessly pursue our goals, and you need to be a bit ruthless to truly make it to the top.

But you know that I believe there is a larger table with room for everyone. Some might take advantage of your kindness. But many, many more won't. And in the end, what you will remember are the people you've helped and the difference you made.

Choosing to come from kindness means that you don't need to keep score of everyone who has wronged you. You don't need to constantly remind people you could fire them. You don't need to put people down.

Choosing to come from kindness means knowing that every good deed you put out in the world comes back to you tenfold. The title of this book says it all. Choosing to come from kindness is how nice folks finish first.

What's Next

As we have scaled, these values have guided our course. That's what corporate values should do. When faced with a difficult choice, you will have a clear framework of how you should make decisions. Strong corporate values won't solve every problem your business will face, but they will solve many problems.

If you take the time to develop what you stand for through the exercise included in Chapter 3, you can deploy a similar framework that I used with Revenue Collective and Pavilion. Start with what you stand for, distill your top values into clear, specific guidelines for your team, and always follow your North Star. Then, you will always know the next right step.

Chapter 5 Tactics: What Are Your Values?

I had never understood the true power of values until I spent time with Brian Litvack, whose company LeagueApps lived and died by their values. They had created an acronym, SPORTSDOG, which was a reference to their sports background and put a heavy emphasis on teamwork and collaboration.

I remember conversations with Brian where he remarked that running the company was made a lot easier by the presence of these values. Every decision, conflict, or controversy could reference the values, and it made it so much easier to drive autonomous decision making.

Again, remembering that metaphor of navigating through a forest, if you have the plan and you have the values, you should be able to get where you want to go.

To that end, take 30 minutes to write down your belief system and begin to think about how to make those words resonant and meaningful for you. Don't just write down “Innovation” but think about the ideas and the slogans you find yourself repeating often. Then unpack them to understand what they really mean to you.

This is the exercise that gave rise to “Listen closely, act quickly” and “X+Y.”

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