Chapter 3. Who Should I Be Talking To?

We went to Sonoma, the center of highbrow culinary thinking, and went to the Wine Auction. We bought a booth and had a KRAVE jerky tent next to the high-end wineries. There was definite shock factor! But people were intrigued and came to talk to us.

Jon Sebastiani, CEO of KRAVE

Everyone wants to feel connected. When people know that they’re actually helping to grow a product, that we want their personal experience to be as great as possible, it gets them really excited.

Dan Levine, CTO of StyleSeat

There are probably two things concerning you right now: that you have no idea how to find the right customers to talk to, and that they wouldn’t spend their time talking to you even if you could find them. If you have a product and existing customers, you may still find it surprisingly hard to get in direct contact with them. If you don’t have a product yet, why would someone want to spend time talking to you about a product that doesn’t even exist yet?

This chapter will tackle both of those fears head-on. You’re going to learn how to use personal connections, social media, websites, and physical places to find the people who will benefit from the product you’re trying to build. I’ll also discuss the factors that motivate people to share and collaborate. By understanding some basic social psychology, you’ll be better able to convince people to help you and make them feel happier for having done so. We’ll cover:

  • The importance of “earlyvangelists”

  • Details for finding people to talk to

  • Methods for interviews and preparations that ensure interviews run smoothly

  • What to do if you can’t find anyone who wants to talk

In effect, if you think of customer development interviews in terms of who, what, where, how, and when, this chapter helps you find out concretely who to talk to, decide how you will talk to them (in person, by telephone, or using video), where you’ll do the interview (whether a physical place or the environment from which you’ll conduct your phone or video interviews), and when (especially in terms of scheduling and spacing them). (Chapter 2 addressed the question of why you’re doing the interviews to begin with.)

This chapter doesn’t cover what questions you should ask interviewees. In fact, that’s the wrong way to think of the what in customer development. The real what is what you should be learning from your interviews. We’ll get there in Chapter 4.

By the end of this chapter, you’ll be equipped to start reaching out to prospective customers immediately. The sooner you start sending out requests, the closer you’ll be to validating your hypotheses.

How Can I Find Customers Before I’ve Even Built a Product?

This is one of the first questions people ask, and my response is always: “How were you planning on finding them after you’ve built a product?”

This isn’t entirely meant as a snide answer—you’ll be using many of the same techniques that you’d use once you have a product. Imagine a world where you weren’t reading this book and you had just spent the past six months building your product. Now you’re ready to sell it. What would you do?

  • You’d look for relevant places to advertise.

  • You’d seek out people likely to be interested in your product and give them pitches, demos, or samples.

  • You’d look for places where your likely customers already are and try to get your product in front of them.

  • You’d partner with complementary products or services to cross-promote.

  • You’d build a website and monitor the channels bringing people to your site.

Every one of these methods can be started before you write a single line of code or sketch a single wireframe.

And by doing so, you can prevent having to add sad bullet points like these:

  • You’d wonder if Google Analytics were broken because it’s not showing any visitors to your site.

  • You’d look at your garage filled with product and fear that you’ll be reduced to dropping it off at Goodwill.

Come On—Why Would They Talk to Me?

Before we go into the details of techniques for finding customers, let’s address the skepticism you’re probably feeling. You may think, “So you’re telling me that people are willing to spend time talking to someone they don’t know who has no product to show them?”

I’ve found that no one believes this at face value. People are busy. They hate telemarketers, advertising, and spam. How is this different?

To start believing that people—useful people—will want to talk to you, you need to understand the people you’re looking for.

The Importance of Earlyvangelists

In the beginning, you are looking for the most enthusiastic, passionate potential customers. These are the people who are the most motivated to solve their problem.

This doesn’t mean you want “early adopters,” those folks who always rush out to buy the latest device and pride themselves on tinkering with products or exploring all of the advanced features. Early adopters are willing to try just about anything! That won’t help you validate or invalidate your hypotheses.

You need to find people who have the specific problem that you’re trying to solve. They’re often not early adopters, or particularly technologically savvy or eager to learn new things—they just need to solve their problem. Another way of looking at this is that you’re looking for the people who are suffering the most severe pain.

Steve Blank calls these people your “earlyvangelists”—people who are willing to take a risk on your unproven, unfinished product (Figure 3-1).

Steve Blank’s earlyvangelist definition; in addition to having these characteristics, earlyvangelists share your visionSource:
Figure 3-1. Steve Blank’s earlyvangelist definition; in addition to having these characteristics, earlyvangelists share your vision[14]

Earlyvangelists will give you all the details about their problem, their needs, and their environment. They’ll try your ugly, broken beta, send you unsolicited page-long emails full of bugs and suggestions, and then recommend you to everyone they know. This isn’t something the earlyvangelist is doing as a favor to you. These customers have a problem that already has them excited or frustrated or angry. They see you and your potential product as something that might help alleviate that problem, so it’s in their best interest to give you all the information you need to execute on a solution.

If you’re reaching out to people who would consider it a burden to talk with you, you’re approaching the wrong people. What you should be offering is a way for people to benefit their own self-interest by telling you what they know.

Three Things That Motivate People

Even after years of doing this, I’m always surprised by how many people respond to requests for their time. But then again, when I get requests for customer development interviews for other peoples’ products, I genuinely look forward to them. Why is that?

Individuals are different, but human psychology is pretty universal. We’re all motivated by the same desires:

  • We like to help others

  • We like to sound smart

  • We like to fix things

Helping Others Makes Us Happy

How do these human tendencies help when you want talk with prospective customers about your idea?

You send out an email from your personal email address that addresses the recipient personally. The recipient sees it and says to himself: someone is asking for my help.

It’s one of the few globally universal psychological constructs—regardless of culture or income, we derive happiness from investing our resources to help others.[15] Because you’ve specified why you want to talk with this specific person, the recipient has a feeling of ownership. He can’t ignore it, assuming that someone else will deal with it.[16]

It seems that we particularly like giving our time to causes that align with our own self-identity.[17] So when you send an email asking someone to help you out by talking about something he’s already interested in, that’s a win-win.

We Like to Sound Smart

Your recipient responds and commits to a conversation with you. As you begin the conversation, you make it clear that she’s the expert. You want to learn from her experiences.

Wanting to sound smart isn’t as egotistical as it sounds; we are rewarded when we gain the respect of others. Psychologist Abraham Maslow defined this as esteem (achievement, respect of others, respect by others) and included it in his hierarchy of needs.[18] When I thank someone at the end of a customer development interview, it’s common for him to reply with something like, “No, thank you! I’m so glad that I had something useful to share!”

My theory is that most of us are unrecognized experts in the things we do every day—whether it’s keeping the family fed or debugging code or coordinating large meetings. It’s a pleasant change to hear from someone who doesn’t take that for granted.

Fixing Things Gives Us a Sense of Purpose

As your interviewee recounts his frustrations, he gets to vent and experience catharsis. But more importantly, as you ask follow-up questions, you give him the feeling that things can get better. That’s not what we’re used to:

[W]e feel so helpless and hopeless about resolving our consumer complaints that a staggering 95% of consumer dissatisfactions go unresolved because we fail to complain effectively about them.... We are convinced that bringing up our complaints with the people responsible will be more trouble than it’s worth, will not lead to a satisfying resolution and that it might actually make the situation worse. However, by pursuing a complaint successfully we can demonstrate our influence in our relationships and/or our social context and feel more capable, competent and empowered.[19]

Unless we personally experience the problems that we are trying to solve, it may still be difficult to imagine that customers will be eager to talk to us.

Come with me on a trip to the DMV

Think of a situation that is universally frustrating. In the United States, a trip to the Department of Motor Vehicles to renew your driver’s license is the classic example.

Walk up to a group of people you don’t know (say, in a coffee shop or at a bus stop). All you need to do is mention that you just took a trip to the DMV and the people around you will immediately start a conversation about it:

Oh man, last time I waited in line for hours and then when I got to the counter, the clerk told me I was missing a form!

You should book a DMV appointment online—last time I did that and I was in and out in 10 minutes!

I use the time to catch up on work-related reading so at least I get something productive done while I wait.

It’s unlikely that you’re waiting for a bus with unusually outspoken people, Department of Motor Vehicles employees, or advice columnists. The DMV is so universally awful that it elicits spontaneous help, expertise, and suggested improvements.

Yes, you’re asking people to commit their time, and many people are short on time. But you’re also offering them a positive opportunity to be helpful, sound smart, and make the world a better place, all in a 20-minute conversation.

How Can I Find My Customers?

Everyone who will potentially buy your product is out there somewhere. But unless this is a niche market that you’re already deeply embedded in, it’s tough to know where you’ll find them. There are a variety of ways to find people, and it will probably take some trial and error to find the people who need your product.

Ask Your Connections for Introductions

Your first stop should be your immediate circle of friends and coworkers. (Presumably you’re trying to enter a market that you and your connections know something about already; if your personal network is completely irrelevant, that’s probably a sign that you’re trying to enter a market you know nothing about, which is a terrible idea.)

How should you start? Just because you have 500 people in your contact list doesn’t mean you should blast out an email with 500 recipients.

You don’t have the time to interview a bunch of people who are obviously not relevant to the problem you’re solving, and you don’t have endless social capital to burn through.

It’s not that you’re going to ask your old boss, your child’s soccer coach, and your Aunt Mabel for an interview (unless, of course, they have the problem that you are trying to solve). While you may already know some prospective customers, it’s more likely that you’ll find people within the larger universe of second-degree connections. You’ll need to ask your connections to introduce you to their friends, coworkers, and family members who have the problem that you’re trying to solve.

Would you introduce me to your friends who ...?

A good rule of thumb is this: Anyone you ask for introductions should understand why you asked him specifically. When you ask your friend who does triathlons to connect you with amateur athletes, or your former coworker who works in the medical industry to connect you with nurses, the request will feel appropriate and a bit flattering.

Your friends and coworkers want to help you, but they’re also wary. They’re putting themselves on the line by vouching for you and putting their friends and colleagues into an unknown situation.

In order to unlock the networks of your friends and coworkers, you need to be very clear about what you are asking. You’ll have to anticipate and address their biggest concerns: time, commitment, privacy, and content. You’ll also need to make it as easy and painless as possible for them to connect you with relevant people they know.

The lowest-friction approach is to describe the type of people you need to talk with and convince friends to give you contact information so that you can reach out directly. It rarely works, though. Your friends are unlikely to feel comfortable unless they remain the intermediary. If they forward on an email, it also makes it clearer that they’re vouching for you. This helps with response rate and setting your interviewees’ minds at ease.[20]

Casting a Wider Net

For many of you, personal connections and direct introductions are not going to lead to enough relevant people. Most likely, you’ll need to try a variety of approaches to figure out what works.

Finding people on LinkedIn

LinkedIn is typically the easiest way to find people who work in a specific industry or hold a certain job title. LinkedIn also allows you to narrow your search based on skills and expertise.[21] (Of course, job title and experience are usually more relevant for enterprise products than for consumer products.)

You can probably find at least a couple of people who fit your criteria and are first- or second-degree connections. That may be all you need to seed your initial search: one or two receptive people can help you identify more people you should be talking to.

You can send messages directly to your first-degree connections, either through LinkedIn’s own messaging system or by finding the person’s contact email address on their profile. (You’ll need to be logged in to LinkedIn to see her full profile.) If someone is a second-degree connection, LinkedIn allows you to ask the common contact to forward a message to him (Figure 3-2).

When sending messages to a second-degree connection, include a ready-to-forward snippet to make the introduction easier for your contact
Figure 3-2. When sending messages to a second-degree connection, include a ready-to-forward snippet to make the introduction easier for your contact

I don’t recommend forwarding messages to a third-degree LinkedIn connection. With two degrees of separation, the sense of being vouched for fades a lot. If you want to reach out to third-degree connections and maximize your odds of getting a response, you’re better off upgrading to a premium subscription and using LinkedIn inMail to directly contact people.

LinkedIn includes inMail credits with premium subscriptions. Because it costs money to send these messages, the recipients are somewhat less likely to perceive them as spam. Your inMails only count against your total if the recipient accepts your message—so you can do some tweaking of your message cheaply. A premium subscription gives you access to additional filters, which can also help you find people.

In some cases, searching LinkedIn serves as a lightweight customer development tool. You may find that your advanced search for a specific job title and industry combination doesn’t return as many results as you expected—in other words, your target market may be too small.

One of the challenges with LinkedIn is that you are competing with recruiters, some of whom take a spray-and-pray approach to any person who meets some vague keyword searches. How do you differentiate yourself? Be specific, be personalized, and be brief.

Surveys are not intended to replace customer interviews. In this scenario, the survey serves two purposes. It allows you to ask a couple of screening questions to ensure that this is a relevant target customer, and more importantly, it serves as a foot in the door to make initial contact. Because contacting people via LinkedIn is somewhat impersonal, you’ll need to make your initial request as lightweight as possible in order to get responses. Once you’ve started a conversation with someone, she’s far more likely to agree to follow-up questions or a longer interview.

Finding people on Quora

Quora works well as a tool for finding people for both consumer and enterprise products, though the site remains somewhat skewed toward technology topics and the Internet-savvy. (Quora initially launched by invitation only; the early community was heavily concentrated among San Francisco and New York technical circles.)

Quora has a much smaller user base than LinkedIn or Twitter, but tends to attract more passionate and vocal people. I’ve typically had better luck connecting with people via Quora, and I suspect this is why. (I’ve also noticed that I’m personally more likely to respond to messages sent to my Quora inbox than to my LinkedIn inbox.)

If you use Quora, you’ll want to do some homework first. Quora users are fairly protective of their community. Be a contributing member, not just a taker. Cover the basics: upload a photo, complete your profile information, and follow relevant topics. Spend some time reading questions and answers in the topics relevant to your product area. Try to write some answers, or at least comment on some answers, in a way that adds value to the community without self-promotion.

As a bonus, going through that exercise will probably give you ideas for additional questions to ask. People who have written questions or comments on the topics you’re following are a good place to start. They’ve self-identified as experts who are probably willing to continue talking on the topic. But even the people who have followed the question have demonstrated some intent and may be receptive to your messages (Figure 3-3).

Please do not solicit customer development participants in a Quora thread. Your question will be down-voted swiftly and annoy the very people that you’re hoping to learn from.

Instead, you’ll want to craft individual private messages for each person. When you find an interesting person, click on her name to get to her profile page. From a user’s profile page, there is a link to send her a direct message in the sidebar. (It’s somewhat hidden; see Figure 3-4.)

People following the Quora question “Customer Development: How did you test and run a hypothesis?”
Figure 3-3. People following the Quora question “Customer Development: How did you test and run a hypothesis?”
In the lefthand sidebar of a user’s profile page, you can use the Message link to send him a private message
Figure 3-4. In the lefthand sidebar of a user’s profile page, you can use the Message link to send him a private message

Start by sending only a couple of outreach messages to Quora users and then wait to make sure that your message was effective. (You don’t want to burn through all of your prospects if your message needs tweaking.) You may need to wait a couple of days to receive a response if people have turned off the notification that emails them when they have a new private message.

Finding people on forums and private online communities

Looking for parents, BMW enthusiasts, chronic disease survivors, dieters, or wine connoisseurs? You’re less likely to find them on a general-interest community site like Quora than on a topic-specific forum, mailing list, or membership-based community.

Many of these communities are publicly discoverable, but the most effective way of finding the best ones is to ask a target customer: “If you wanted to find the best recommendations for [topic], where would you go?”

Don’t treat these communities as only a place for harvesting customer development interviewees—respect the established culture and community. Just reading through the conversations gives you a lightweight method for validating ideas—you’ll see which topics attract dozens of responses and which go unanswered. This is a good proxy for what pains and what motivates your potential customers!

As with Quora, it’s important to start by contributing to the community. Lurk and read the conversations for a while, then provide some answers (factual answers are safer than opinions). Use your participation as a way to connect with a few individuals rather than broadcasting a request for interviews.

Finding people in the offline world

Sometimes the simplest way to find your prospective customers is to physically go where they are. You’ll never find more runners congregated than at the end of a 5K or half-marathon; you’ll never find more dental professionals than at the Starbucks across the street from a major dentistry conference.

Intercepting people in the real world can be more sensitive because you’ll have to interrupt them. The trick is to think through the tasks that your prospective customer needs to complete (getting in line, networking with a potential business partner, getting that cute girl’s number, completing his purchase)—and don’t approach until after those tasks are complete.

You’re also more likely to have time constraints (the runner is probably too sweaty and thirsty to talk for long; the dentist probably needs to hurry back so he doesn’t miss the next session). Don’t plan on a full interview. Focus on a single question, or quickly pitch the problem and ask for contact information so that you can follow up later.

Conferences offer sponsorship opportunities, but if you’ve ever worked a conference booth you know that depressingly few people come over to talk to you (unless you’re bribing them with really appealing tchotchkes or raffle prizes). You’ll need to actively approach people to get them to answer questions or share contact information.

Using blog posts

There may not be very many people who care enough to author an entire blog on the area you’re exploring, but the ones that do exist are definitely written by people you need to connect with! A few of the more comprehensive blog aggregators are:

  • Alltop.com

  • Blogarama.com

  • Blogs.com

Of course, there are far fewer blogs entirely devoted to a particular topic than there are individual blog posts on a topic. For finding standalone blog posts on a specific topic, you don’t need a blog aggregator; you need a search engine.

Trial-and-error searches, patience, and a lot of open browser tab windows will eventually yield results. One tip: if you’re using Google Search, click on the Search Tools button and change the “Any time” option to “Past year” (Figure 3-5). You need to find people who experienced your problem recently, not back in 2005.

Use Google’s “Past year” filter to omit outdated search results when hunting for blog posts
Figure 3-5. Use Google’s “Past year” filter to omit outdated search results when hunting for blog posts

Using Twitter

Twitter is one of the harder ways to connect directly with people due to the lack of public contact information. You can @mention a specific person, but then you have less than 140 characters in which to make a request or introduce yourself. Twitter is often more useful for people or companies who already have a following. Because you have an existing relationship with your followers, you can post a simple request with a link to a survey and use that to collect contact information.

For the majority of people, the most productive use of Twitter is simply to find the relevant hashtags that your target customer uses or to read the articles that she is sharing. For example, product managers often add #prodmgmt to their tweets; parents of autistic children may tag their tweets with #autism. Searching for one of those hashtags is a good way to find the articles that your target population is interested in, as well as offline locations such as conferences or events where they may be physically present.

No matter what type of customer you’re targeting, you can ask yourself what they are already doing. What products or services are they already buying? What websites are they already using? Where do they spend their time? When they have a large purchase to make, how do they research it and who do they ask for advice?

Not using Craigslist

I’m going to save you the time of writing a post and being flagged: don’t use Craigslist to directly find people to talk to. There are a huge number of scams posted every day, and your request for a conversation is going to look just as suspicious. The people you need to talk to are not scanning the gig offerings looking for interview opportunities. Offering paid compensation only lures the desperate and unemployed.

But it is possible that your target customer is transacting on Craigslist already. Is the problem you’re looking to solve related to real estate, dating, job hunting or posting, or local events? If so, your target customer may already be scouring Craigslist.

For many people, this type of contact may be crossing a line. The guy looking for a dog-friendly apartment may be exactly the type of person you want to talk to, but you’re being deceptive in emailing him (unless you happen to have a line on a great one-bedroom across the street from a dog park). If you choose this path, be judicious and be ready for accusations of spam.

Using a landing page

Building a landing page and using Google AdWords to direct traffic to it was the original customer development tactic. Eric Ries wrote about it and many companies (including KISSmetrics) used that method. But as more businesses have begun using AdWords, the price per click has gotten much more expensive. The cost of acquiring visitors via AdWords may be prohibitively high unless you are in a narrow niche.

However, if you have a large Twitter following, a popular blog, or a base of existing customers, you can get a reasonable amount of site traffic. You can build it yourself or use a hosted service like LaunchRock (http://www.launchrock.com), which also helps you promote the site via Twitter. The advantage of using a landing page is that it’s easy to combine a short survey with the ability to follow up and contact people for a longer interview (Figure 3-6).

A short survey helps qualify potential customers without hurting your response rate; be sure to collect email addresses so you can follow upIt is possible to create a standalone survey without a landing page, using a free tool like SurveyMonkey or Wufoo (I prefer Wufoo). The downside of a standalone survey is that it has less credibility than a landing page—which leads to lower response rates.
Figure 3-6. A short survey helps qualify potential customers without hurting your response rate; be sure to collect email addresses so you can follow up[24]

How Should I Conduct My Interviews?

The best method for conducting customer development interviews is the one that is most convenient for you and your target customers. There are pros and cons to each approach, but those don’t matter if it takes too long to coordinate schedules or if you find yourself postponing or rescheduling interviews. I’ll walk through a few methods and explain why they may or may not work for you.

Visiting the Customer’s Home or Office

Intuit calls visiting the customer’s home or office “Follow Me Home”; user researchers may refer to this as an ethnographic interview or a field visit. This method predates the lean startup movement by decades.[25]

Observing the customer in his natural environment is the highest-fidelity method of customer development. You’ll learn about factors like noise level, neatness of the environment, whether your customer has privacy or is constantly interrupted, whether he has outdated or upgraded technology, and who comes to talk to him while you’re there. If you ask a question about how the customer does something, he can show you, not just describe it.

Face-to-face conversations are more personal; he can see your face and body language, which helps in building a relationship with this potential earlyvangelist. You may also meet other people in the household or workplace for later follow-up questions.

On-site interviews are by far the hardest to coordinate. Privacy concerns may prevent employees from bringing an outsider into their office, or at least require getting an NDA signed in advance. For consumers, a messy home or distractions from family members may discourage the customer from agreeing to talk. The need to obtain permission or approval in advance may also lead to delays or last-minute cancellations.

On-site interviews work well for:

  • Companies with existing products and customers (more about this in Chapter 8)

  • Problems where the physical environment plays a role

  • Problems that involve multiple stakeholders

  • Products used in the home

In-Person Conversations in a Neutral Location

Another high-fidelity method for customer development interviews is a face-to-face conversation in a neutral public location. Even if you don’t know what the prospective customer’s noisy cubicle or messy kitchen looks like, you can see his body language and watch his facial expressions as he describes his problem situations. Because he can see you as well, this method helps build rapport with the customer.

The cons are similar to those with the site visit. You’ll need to identify appropriate venues. Once you’ve found them, your customer has to figure out how to get there, park her car, and (assuming you’ve never met before) figure out how to identify you. I find this method to be the most challenging for note-taking (there is often background noise, and sometimes a lack of reliable surfaces to write on).

In-person interviews at a neutral location work well for:

  • Interviews where you wish to speak with two or more people together, but want to avoid having any of them be distracted by family members or coworkers (such as spouses or business partners)

  • Consumer products where the audience is general enough that you can try to string together back-to-back interviews in a Starbucks or another public place

Phone Conversations

This is the method that I most commonly use for customer development interviews.

I don’t get any visual information, but I can learn a lot from verbal intonations and pauses. (I also suspect that people may be more honest about things that embarrass or frustrate them when they don’t have to make eye contact.)

More importantly, I can conduct interviews faster so I can learn faster. When I ask for phone conversations, I get higher response rates. Scheduling is easier because no one has to account for travel time or other people’s permission. I can take more comprehensive notes because I can type on my laptop without appearing rude.

Phone interviews work well for:

  • Connecting with busy people

  • Talking with customers in different locations and time zones

  • Completing as many interviews as possible in a short period of time

Video Chat or Call with Screen Sharing

Video chats share most of the same advantages and disadvantages as phone conversations. You also gain the benefit of seeing the customer’s facial expressions and body language and potentially even what’s on her computer screen. If your target customer is tech-savvy (or younger than 20), this is a great option. If not, approach with caution. After spending 5 minutes trying to figure out if video is working, your flustered customer is not going to be able to give you the best possible information in the remaining 15 minutes.

Video chats work well for:

  • Tech-savvy audiences comfortable with setting up video conferencing

  • Interviews where seeing the user’s computer screen is critical for understanding his usage or frustrations

Instant Messaging

I’ll admit it: instant messaging (IM) is not my favorite approach for conducting interviews. Text-only communication provides the least amount of information with the highest risk of misinterpretation. Most of us have difficulty interpreting the intent or emotional severity of written messages.[26] I’ve also noticed through various user research projects over the years that people are more self-conscious and more likely to self-censor what they write than what they say.

Still, sometimes text-based communication is the best available option. Live chat apps give you the opportunity to have a conversation with someone while he’s on your site. If you don’t talk with that prospective customer in real time, you’ll have no way to contact him in the future. You also may want to schedule conversations over IM if you’re concerned about audio quality—talking with interviewees in other countries when voice-over-IP is unreliable or talking with interviewees whose accents make it difficult to understand what they’re saying.

IM works well for:

  • Prospective customers who are less comfortable speaking verbally (people who are shy, have thick accents, or want to control the information they share)

  • Conversations where it’s important to exchange data such as URLs or snippets of code

Following Up

You’ve probably noticed that the templates for an initial introduction message haven’t included scheduling. You need to keep the initial message short if you don’t know the recipient personally.

Scheduling adds two or more sentences that weigh down your message. Messages that are too long don’t get responses; they are mentally set aside until we have time to read them (which is never).

Here’s a too-long email on my phone; the meat of the message—what you want me to do, when you want to talk—is buried unless I scroll down
Figure 3-7. Here’s a too-long email on my phone; the meat of the message—what you want me to do, when you want to talk—is buried unless I scroll down

Scheduling Phone Interviews

Once you’ve gotten an affirmative response from a person, then you can go into more tactical detail. Your job: to make it incredibly easy for her to commit to a time to talk.

Thank you for your willingness to help me out!

I’d like to schedule a 20-minute call so I can learn from you. You don’t need to prepare in advance; just hearing about your experiences with ________, from your personal perspective, will be a huge help to me.

Does one of these times work for you?

Monday, July 8 9am PST (12pm EST)

Monday, July 8 11:30am PST (2:30pm EST)

Tuesday, July 9 7am PST (10am EST)

Thursday, July 11 2pm PST (5pm EST)

For a phone call, I recommend offering three or four options, not all on the same day of the week or the same hour of the day. Make sure you are explicit about what time zone you are proposing.

Better yet, figure out in advance if your interviewee lives in a different time zone and suggest appropriate times. A 9 a.m. call isn’t a considerate suggestion if you are in New York and your interviewee is in Los Angeles.

If you use Gmail, I recommend downloading a browser plug-in called Rapportive (http://www.rapportive.com). When you type in an email address, Rapportive pulls associated publicly available data from LinkedIn, Twitter, and Google and displays it in a sidebar next to your message compose window. It may include a photo, a location, a job title, and recent social media posts (Figure 3-8).

Rapportive shows you a sidebar with information the person has shared on social media: avatar, location, job title
Figure 3-8. Rapportive shows you a sidebar with information the person has shared on social media: avatar, location, job title

If you use Outlook on Windows, you can use the Outlook Social Connector (http://www.linkedin.com/static?key=microsoft_outlook) to view relevant LinkedIn information as you’re composing a message. Not all consumers have LinkedIn profiles, but most businesspeople or information workers have a profile that contains at least location and job title.

Scheduling Face-to-Face Interviews

The best locations for face-to-face interviews are convenient for both cars and public transit, have plenty of space, and don’t suffer from so much popularity that you won’t be able to find a table or quiet area. I usually suggest meeting at Starbucks; they’re accustomed to people having work meetings and their WiFi is reliable. Hotels with large, quiet lobbies are also a good option.

Here’s an example I used at KISSmetrics:

Thanks for signing up for the KISSmetrics beta list. I’d love to get a half-hour of your time to talk over coffee. Does one of these suggestions work for you?

9:30 a.m. on Tues, May 10 at Greenhouse Cafe in West Portal

3 p.m. on Thurs, May 12 at Farley’s Coffeehouse in Potrero Hill

11:30 a.m. on Fri, May 13 at Starbucks near the Metreon

Feel free to suggest another time if none of these work for you—I can make it anywhere within San Francisco between 9 a.m.–4 p.m.

Thanks!

Cindy

This gives the recipient all of the necessary information she needs to make a decision: expected time outlay, times she can check against her calendar, information about the venue,[28] and locations (so she doesn’t schedule back-to-back meetings at opposite ends of town).

Odds are that sending a message with several options will eliminate the need for playing email tag to schedule a meeting. But even if the interviewee can’t accept one of your suggestions, you’ve set some parameters so that she can easily propose an alternative that is likely to work.

Once the interviewee has chosen a time, I recommend sending a calendar invitation as well as your cell phone number. It’s also useful to send a reminder email the day before, or in the morning before an afternoon call.

Spacing Your Interviews

Most of you won’t find yourself trying to cram in interviews from the dozens of prospective customers who immediately agree to talk to you. (If you do, congratulations! That’s a good problem to have.) But you may think that you’ll set aside a half-day and try to cram in as many interviews as possible in that time period. In the beginning, that’s not setting yourself up for success.

You need time to prepare, time to do the interview, and time to go over your notes right after the interview and let the most important things surface. Then you need a few minutes to prepare for the next interview. (The amount of time you’ll need between interviews falls dramatically after you’ve gained some comfort in conducting them, but in the beginning you’ll need the breaks.)

For this reason, I suggest that you start by scheduling no more than one 20–30 minute interview per hour (Figure 3-9).

Your interview schedule may look like this; you should block off time before an appointment for prep and some time afterward for summarizing notes, which I’ll talk about more in
Figure 3-9. Your interview schedule may look like this; you should block off time before an appointment for prep and some time afterward for summarizing notes, which I’ll talk about more in Chapter 6

Why would you do that?

  • To make sure you really get 30 minutes to talk if the interview starts a few minutes late

  • To make sure that if the conversation is really going strong, you can let your interviewee keep talking for up to 45 minutes (in Chapter 5 I’ll tell you why I think interviews longer than that reach a point of diminishing returns)

  • To give yourself time immediately afterward to go over your notes and get a fix on the most important things you learned

  • To give yourself a quick break before the next interview

Over time you’ll be able to schedule interviews closer together. I’m usually comfortable scheduling two 20-minute interviews in the same hour. Now that I have more expertise interviewing, I can typically maximize the information I get from the interviewee in the first 20 minutes. It’s also gotten easier for me to context-switch from one call to the next. It will get easier for you the more interviews you do!

Interview Troubleshooting

In my experience, you’ll be surprised by how often things go well. Since you’ll have some questions if you’re new to customer development interviews, let’s cover what might go wrong and how to deal with it.

What If No One Responds?

After you send an initial request to talk, I recommend waiting at least a few days to respond. For business customers, I typically wait a week. At that point, I’ll resend the request with an additional message like “I’d still love to talk with you. If you’re available this week, let me know and I can coordinate a time.” About 20% of the time, the interviewee responds to this follow-up email and we successfully schedule and complete an interview. If you don’t hear back, I don’t recommend pursuing the person further. Don’t be annoying.

If you’ve sent out a number of requests and no one has responded, conscript a friend or colleague to read your message and give you feedback. Making your message shorter or clearer, or changing the tone may be all you need.

What if you’ve gotten feedback on your message, improved it, and then sent 10 or more requests that still haven’t netted any responses? Well, consider that your first hypothesis invalidation. Either you’re reaching out to the wrong people or the topic you’ve mentioned isn’t interesting. If this happens, you may want to return to Chapter 2 and revise your hypothesis.

Interview No-Shows

In my experience, somewhere between 5% to 10% of the interviews you schedule will end up in cancelations or no-shows.

When I did usability testing and scheduled sessions all day long, I actually planned my day around this. My rule of thumb was that 1 out of 10 participants would be a no-show. Because of this, I’d typically schedule sessions without a break. (This meant that when I did get a full turnout I had to skip lunch.)

In my experience, customer development tends to have a lower rate of no-shows than usability testing. I think this is because customer development takes a personal approach to recruiting participants; it’s harder to disappoint a known individual than a faceless user research recruiter.

If an interviewee cancels or fails to show up, wait a day or two and then send a message offering to reschedule. Typically the interviewee responds and you’ll be able to reschedule successfully, but if you don’t get a response, let it go.

Next Step: Get Ready for Customer Development Interviews

Now you’ve got the tools to get in contact with your target customers, wherever they may be. You probably won’t need to use all the methods described in this chapter. Once you’ve tried a few, it will be clear which methods are most successful in helping you reach the first few people (who will, in turn, lead you to more potential interviewees). The next chapter discusses what you’ll be learning from these target customers and what questions to ask to elicit the most valuable and actionable insights.



[16] The tendency to assume someone else will handle a problem is called “diffusion of responsibility.” There’s a similar effect, called “social loafing,” where people in groups do less work than they would as an individual. I suspect the latter is responsible for the low response rates and lackluster answers that people give in surveys.

[17] When asked to volunteer, people prefer to give time over money to causes they are invested in. Furthermore, people experience greater happiness (and give more generously) when asked to donate time instead of money (see http://www.escholarship.org/uc/item/8j02n364).

[20] It can also keep your message from landing in the recipient’s spam folder.

[21] For more tactical how-to advice for using LinkedIn, check out this great blog post from Mark Horoszowski, CEO of MovingWorlds: http://customerdevlabs.com/2012/06/24/anybody-that-knocks-linkedin-does-not-know-how-to-use-it/.

[22] I was a participating mentor in Steve’s class, so I got to hear KRAVE’s progress week by week. Before the course was over, I was able to buy KRAVE jerky from my neighborhood Safeway, which was pretty amazing.

[24] It is possible to create a standalone survey without a landing page, using a free tool like SurveyMonkey or Wufoo (I prefer Wufoo). The downside of a standalone survey is that it has less credibility than a landing page—which leads to lower response rates.

[25] Literally, decades! Intuit pioneered the “Follow Me Home” program in 1989. “[The program] called for an Intuit employee to hang around the local computer store until someone bought Quicken off the shelf (this was back when people did that sort of thing). The employee would then ask the buyer to take him home so he could see how difficult the product was to install. He would watch the process silently, noting everything from how easily the shrinkwrap came off to which lines of direction bred that confused look on the new user’s face” (http://www.inc.com/magazine/20040401/25cook.html).

[26] Asked to determine whether a message was serious or sarcastic, only 56% of people correctly identified the tone of an email (versus over 75% for verbal recordings). “Email is fine if you just want to communicate content, but not any emotional material.” For more information, see http://www.apa.org/monitor/feb06/egos.aspx. As you’ll learn in Chapter 4, emotions are extremely important to prioritizing information, so I do not recommend this method overall.

[28] I typically include links to Yelp in the email—that gives your interviewee easy access to the venue’s name and address plus a map, which makes it easy for her to retrieve step-by-step directions if she has a smartphone.

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